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more politics ahead with al sharpton. one senator calls the gop a hot sloppy mess. tonight, cantor and his tea party gang are dragging the gop down. who is winning the politics? and, the fbi says it will investigate whether rupert murdoch's company broke the law. but murdoch still doesn't get it. he admits to minor mistakes that were made. plus, paging willard mitt romney. the front runner who says he can fix the economy is nowhere to be found. is he in witness pro pro teks program? and the atlanta school cheating scandal. is no child left behind really leaving too many behind?
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welcome to the show. i'm al chasharpton. tonight's lead, republicans pushing our economy to the brink, just minutes ago, presidents meeting with congressional members ended after an hour and 19 minutes. we don't know if we are closer to a deal but what we do know is that gtop is offering up nothin and certainly no solutions. case in point, republican leader eric cantor continues to push a short term extension of debt ceiling. here is president obama's response. quote, enough is enough, eric. don't call my bluff. i'm going to the american people on this. i will not yield. today, cantor took more heat from the left. >> house majority leader eric cantor showing he shouldn't even be at the table. it was childish. >> he is basically standing in
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the way and it's a shame, it's a shame. if eric cantor decides everything i fear we will be in fall. >> president urging republicans to stop playing games. >> what's required here in washington, is that politicians understand now is not the time it play games. now is not the time to posture. now is the time to do what is right by the country. >> joining me now, are two msnbc political analysts, pat buchanan and richard wolfe. pat, let me start with you. >> all right. >> is your party playing games? >> our party's involved in these negotiations, al. and there's no doubt i think the president has been winning it politically on the national level. but i do think that the republican position, if cantor's position is this, we can't -- we're not going to give you any tax increases. we are going to give you an increase in the debt ceiling and we are going to put cuts on
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there, say a trillion dollars, and we are going to send it over for nine months. i think that can be a winning hand for the republicans. so let's say it is -- >> the republicans here, you say the republican hand like it is one hand. you have the boehner hand. you have the cantor hand. you have the tea party freshmen. you are acting like it is a united party. whether you have been watching or not be you have at least three hands you are playing at the same time. which hand are you referring to? >> well, on the one hand, everybody has agreed upon, al, is that republicans are not going to give quote new revenue or new taxes, period. if they do, i think the republican party is finished. they are agreed on that. i hope they are agreed that they are going to pass a debt ceiling by the second of august. i hope so. i'm not sure on that. >> okay, well -- go ahead, i'm sorry. go ahead. >> third, i think they are agreed on budget cuts but not which cuts. i think they are agreed now that big deal is dead so they will
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try to go for some small deal. i guess they're there but it's clear mitch mcconnell is concerned that the republicans in the house can't get anything through. >> well, then i don't think they're dead. your hopes of them all agreeing on the three things you named as you said, you don't know if it can get through the house. a house divided cannot stand for america, pat. richard, what is your reading? ? the republicans can't get it together and the people who may pay for this is the american public? >> before we get there reverend, i want to pick up on something pat said. if there were any kind of tax increase at all republicans would be finished. let's look at the polls. recent gallup polls suggest that only one in five american voters think that this deficit crisis needs to be dealt with, with spending cuts alone. in other words, the vast majority of voters want to see a mix. now you can debate where the mix should be between spending and
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revenues, between cuts and more money coming in but it is clear the republican position is a tiny minority. >> let me show you a poll since you said that it is a pl that says 67% say spending cuts and tax hikes must be made in order to reach a deal. this is the quinnipiac poll, spending cults only, only 25%. so pat says that they are finished if they go for anything other than if they go for a tax decrease or extending the tax cuts because i don't want to sound like pat and give mississippi informatiogive misinformation. we are talking about tax hikes or tax cuts. i think they are finished if they do go for it. >> i think richard has a point about the poll.
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but i do know the republican party and republican base. they won 63 saetsz seats in the house. largest i think. they will not raise taxes. 235 signed a no tax pledge. if they go home, rich richard may be right. 60 or 70% of the support still remains with them. but the fire and energy of people will walk away from them. i think they will lose the house if they raise taxes. and that is an -- as an analyst, that's my belief of what will happen with the republicans. >> with all due respect, they won saying they are going to provide jobs. jobs, jobs, jobs and they have not -- >> how, when obama is running the show. >> -- won one job show. show me one job they propose will come out of any of this to give us more of the same, pat, is not going to produce jobs. we have had these tax cuts since
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2001. where are the jobs? >> well, listen, tle did create five or six million of them and they disappeared. obama has had 2 1/2 years. >> obama has created -- there's been 2 million jobs since obama took office. not enough to dig us out of what we have. but if you have an ailment, pat, you go fot pharmacist. if he keeps giving you the same prescription and you don't get well, you don't go back and got the same prescription. >> you are telling me tax decreasing gets jobs? >> i can show you a number of graphs where even when reagan and clinton and others have a tax hike. we have not seen unemployment rise. we have seen unemployment continue in this whole tax cut -- >> i'm with lon aronald reagan,. he cut taxes 25% across the
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board. >> he raised taxes 11 times. did you show up for work that day, pat. he raised taxes 11 times. were you there? >> i toild you, he came into the white house and explained to me the terrible mistake he made. they told me he gave me $3 in spending increases or $3 in spendinging increases in tax cuts. i was robbed. that's not going to happen again. that's why republicans are holding their ground. >> pat, he did it 11 times. 11 times. i mean, what are we talking about here. >> is reagan in history a tax cutter or tax hiker? >> according to who is writing the history. if we are going it write the facts -- >> he is on mt. rushmore, al, for cutting taxes. >> richard, you're in here but pat and i have to go at it. pat, are you denying that reagan -- >> this president, actually cut
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taxes, he cut taxes in a budget. >> what happened those tax cuts. >> the tax cuts created the 2 million jobs and spending increases didn't. >> i got you. nice. this is very cute. >> very cute. >> now let me ask you another question. >> sure, sure. >> where do you think we are when you see the republicans and democrats meeting with the president, not coming together. and you see your party split. i had a member of the tea party, freshman congressman on this show last night tell meg that president aught to be meeting with them, freshman. just openly suggesting or implying that the leadership of boehner is not affected. today, boehner goes and hugs cantor and says we are in the fox hole together. >> right. >> i don't know if i would want to be in the fox hole with somebody that is trying to act like i'm the chicken in the fox
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hole. >> i don't disagree with you entirely here. it doesn't look to me -- i saw this as real opportunity for the republicans and it doesn't look it me that they thought through the game and strategy, if you will. i think the president does want to deal. i think he is probably honest about it. i think he wants a big deal. i think he is ready for revenues. but he's got to have revenues to get that deal and so i don't fault him there. but i do believe that the republicans are standing on grounds of principle, conviction, belief and what they told the people they would do. that's very important to me. so i think what they ought to do is stop these meetings that the republicans go back to the house. pass the debt ceiling with the spending cuts they want. send it to the senate and president. if the president says, don't try to call my bluff, i'll veto it, let him veto it, al. let's go back to the way the government used to run. let's have it out. >> i think i was almost -- i was almost fine when pat, unlike
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others, said that president was honest and didn't want to deal. because other members of his party is calling all kinds of names i will get to later in the show. but he says, they are sticking by what they said. but didn't they say they want to deal with the structural problems that keep causing the deficit? then they said they wanted to deal with the president showing leadership, then when he started calling meetings and he said, fine, let's deal with the structural problem, let's have a big bargain. they said, fwho, we don't want a big bargain. let's just deal with the $2 trillion package. and they said, you do it. don't even deal with congress. there isn't a consistent message as pat tries to recast and put a spin on the republican inconsistencies. >> first of all, republicans you're right. they ran and won the house by saying they will go after jobs. jobs, jobs, jobs. you are right about that. seriously off topic. seriously, anyone knows. anyone who looked at numbers. anyone inside or outside washington, knowes this is a
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medium long time problem has has become a short term crisis. this budget skriesis crisis is not on our doorstep but it is because of the of the platform of raising the national debt limit. they turned this into a giant immediate crisis here and people are scratching their heads saying how come we he are running out of money. pat is talking about sending up a bill to veto now. that's just politics we don't have the time for. look at what the bond market is saying. look at what the rating agencies are saying. that is playing with fire. the fire is on our doorstep. >> thank you so much, richard wolfe. thank you pat buchanan. and we are, thank you both of you, for your time this evening. joining me now, congresswoman donna edwards, democrat from maryland. how are you? >> i'm fine, al. enjoy tlag conversation. >> well, let me ask you, from your perspective, you are in the
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congress. you're there up close. this whole back and forward, republicans chajing positions, where do you see this ending in terms of the people in your districts and your district and districts around the country. people on the ground, that could really suffer if we can't get a resolve to this. >> first of all, i think it's clear. president obama does not have a negotiating part fler on the other side of the table. from childish to irresponsible. you take your word and name them. but the republicans on the other side of the aisle, are really playing with fire and for people in my congressional district and across the country, what we a aring say g are saying is republicans get your act together. this is the responsible thing to do, the thing that was done i think 17 times during reagan presidencies won't controversy really. here we are with the republicans trying to hold both our economy and united states and world
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economy at bay. and i think it is unfair and i think the president has done the best that he can really to pull the parties together. i don't know why republicans are so insistent on protecting the millionaires and billion airs to sit in a small amphitheater. >> when you see the world reaction, we are hearing nervousness around a lost those that judge our standing in terms of the nation's credit and the nation's standing with financial markets. but look at american people. this is not just you and i saying that. look at these polls. the american people poll on who to blame for the debt limit, who will they blame if it isn't raised. republicans are saying they would blame 48% of them would blame them. only 36% say they would blame the president. this is quinnipiac. the whole of who americans blame for the economy. republicans are saying all of this about the president. the polls say bush, 54% blame bush only 27% blame president
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obama. are your colleagues on the other side of the aisle tone deaf? can't they say that what they are selling, nobody is buying in this country? >> i wish they could hear that. they are so busy protecting the 2 percenters who don't want to give one penny back to this country to help us get out of our long-term debt. it seems unreasonable to the public. i think they're right. the president has said he is going to take it to the people. all he has to do is take it to where people already are. they are saying surely can you give up your tax cuts from bill million airs and billion airs. surely can you give up on tax loop holes but republicans don't want to give anything on this fight and struggle. i think the fer can public understands that. so i think the president is right here to stand his ground. it would be nice if he add real negotiating partner on the other side of the table. and it is pretty clear that he doesn't. >> thank you so much,
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congresswoman donnaed wards, thank you for your time tonight. >> coming up, more heat on rupert murdoch. an fbi investigation into whether his company broke laws by hacking into the phone of 9/11 victims. incredible. we will have a live report. and, where in the world is mitt romney? with all that business experience, you've got to be wondering, why he is hiding now? plus, sarah palin, brings back the don't retreat, reload rhetoric. she is staying classy. don't go away. we'll be right back. [ female announcer ] ever wish vegetables didn't taste so vegetably? well, v8 v-fusion juice gives you a full serving of vegetables, plus a full serving of fruit. but it just tastes like fruit. and try our deliciously refreshing v8 v-fusion + tea.
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rupe erlt murdoch in the witness chair in it could happen. if first force in england, today we saw the ninth arrest in the phone hacking scandal and murdoch and his son have bowed to political pressure and announced they will testify in parliament next week. but what about hear in this country? today we saw the first major sign that murdoch's empire may
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be in serious trouble over here. the fbi opened investigation into news hacked phones of 9/11 victims. what does it mean for the mogul media empire? joining me, toshi, covering the scandal from parliament in london and eric bulart, who tracks murdoch and his news media empire. kayla it's been hot there all day. what's been happening? >> you said it yourself. the murdochs have been m political pressure. the prime minister's office, deputy prime minister, former prime minister gordon brown, all saying informally that murdochs
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should be present at parliament for that hearing next tuesday because news international rebecca brooks will be there. a summons came from parliament and it was communicated through prime minister cameron's office today. did rupert and james bow to that pressure? it is interesting because -- >> first they said they were not going to go. is that right? ? then all of a sudden after the formal request came, that's when they turned around and 1ed they would. at first they said they weren't going next tuesday. >> they would. it is interesting to look at time line of what's been happening on the u.s. regulatory side along side what is going on here in britain. we have senators coming out and saying that department of justice and sec should be launching an inquiry. we have representative peter king should launch an inquiry, which we know now is happening. a lot of that came out last night. some is coming to fruition.
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because rupert and james murdoch were were here, if they were summoned, they could not resist that. this is the country where he runs those media assets in question. but yet he would be required to show his face in the u.s. so, the common disdense of those two actions which something reverend that people add hard time coming to grips with. >> very interesting timing. eric, the fbi investigation that was put out today, how serious do you think it is? >> very serious. any time you have the fbi investigating a company, that's the worst nightmare. that's juf the beginning. we have this allegation, with investigators strieing to hack phones of 9/11 victims trying to get their last phone messages, a gruesome scenario but that is
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what is reported in the british press. the fbi should be investigating this. congress needs to get involved. congressman on the hill has been pushing this. there has to be hearings and we have to find out if anything like this has been happening with murdoch's american properties. his media outlets in the united states are not known for their high ethical standards. the department of justice needs to get involved. news corp is an american company. they are answerable to american laws and there are specific laws about bribery. there have been detailed reports about murdoch journalist in the uk bribing police officers and gossip information. it might have happened in britain but again news corp is an american company and has to be held to these lawes. >> the senator was was raising concerns and i think what took us back, murdoch did his first
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interview since of all this and he said it was maybe minor mistakes. his statement with a was extremely well in every way possible only minor mistakes. nothing that would not be recovered. i mean, is he in denial? is he spinning? what does this say to you kayla? >> i think this is pure as a principal or agent problem. maybe a minor mistake from the chair of rupert or james. they are the principal. but when they are running a company this huge, let go of the fact that people like rebecca brooks and coalson and neil wallace who was arrested today, that those are the agents and the right hand needs to know what the left hand is doing. if they are overseeing an organization engaging in practices like this, powers at be are responsible. while they can say we made minor mistakes, it is nothing from
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which we can't recover, the right hand needs to know what the left hand is doing. >> kayla and eric, thank you for your time this evening to both of you. ahead, a newly found political ad from 17 years ago is coming back. to haunt mitt romney. today. and this tea party freshman joe walsh called the president a liar. you better believe i'm going to respond to that, ahead. stay with us. is
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e-mail it a all colleague, quote pb it's v very important i think that what we say in our separate statements not undermine the ability to the new house gop to modify or repeal dodd-frank. wallison simply wanted to undo the new law. it violated the commission's ethics provisions by leaking confidential information. the financial crisis commission was supposed to find the cause of the melt down. instead, former reagan aide peter wallison was working from the inside to help roll back the law aimed at making sure it doesn't happen again. that's our con job of the day. ahead, the focus on washington is on cuts and jobs. but someone needs to pay attention to what is going 07b in our schools.
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biggest political stirs. we bring on our power panel. joining me now,es ant professor at northwestern university, victoria difrancesco soto. democratic analyst and senior advisor to hillary clinton. and republican strategist and former special assistant to president george w. bush, ron christie. our first question, would you want to share a fox hole with eric cantor? today's speaker boehner, boehner made a big show of being a comrade with the man who recently has been stealing his spotlight. >> listen, we're in the fox hole. and i'm going to tell you what, this is not easy. >> i'm glad eric's there. >> ki ki, do you believe there is unity and brotherly law between cantor and boehner or are they trying to do some
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theatrics to patch up what has been very devicive and politically damaging for party? >> well, it doesn't matter either way. because right now whether they are in a fox hole or out of a fox hole their fortunes are tied together. the error that speaker boehner may have made politically is when he gave away his authority and power in this. he gave mr. cantor his power and it is hard it get your authority back in the same position on the same issue. that's gone. and so his future is now tied to eric cantor and he doesn't have a choice. >> victoria, they seem to be seriously fractured. but at the same time, they are going to have to do something rather quickly. do they have any options that -- i'm talking about they, being the republicans, that can salvage whether wr they have represented to the public and
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reconciled that with where the country clearly is polled saying they want to see some resolve here and they don't want to see the rich spared here. >> the fox hole metaphor, if that means making amends with the rash lieutenant, which in this case would be cantor, then so be it. they have been so disjointed the past couple of weeks with their message. in this case, they need unity. they need strength in numbers if they want to come up against the administration. banor has put aside and what we need is the lock and stock stuff. >> in the officer's office or somewhere that is pretty enclosed, maybe boehner used the term fox hole because he was getting all of this fire overhead. but it was friendly fire. it was coming from his own side.
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how are you going to deal with the fact that tea party freshmen and cantor and others, they've been shooting at he and mcconnell and others, as hard as anybody else in the capitol hill center? >> good evening reverend al. >> good evening. >> this is like an episode of the twilight zone. i hear the republicans have all these problems. republicans are fine. republicanes have the majority in the house of representatives. the american people sent a very clear message. they said they did not want to increase taxes. they wanted the government to stop spending as much money as they have. eric cantor and house majority leader have been very firm, very united in this front. you will have friction every now and then when have you leaders. have you nancy pelosi when she is the speaker of the house. they didn't always see eye to sigh eye. i don't see this as any more
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than the the republicans are u neated and will hold the president's feet to the fire. >> let me ask you a question. we saw republicans holding press conferences saying they did not go along with boehner. we saw right wingers saying he should step aside. ron is saying that this looks like an episode of the twilight zone. >> ref and -- let me -- >> come on, this is not something someone is making up here. >> for being the lone republican on this panel and in touch with the house majority and serving on the caucus for years, i might know something of what i'm talking about. >> they need to quit holding press connen froms against each other and we might not know they are divided and split and taking -- >> there will always be opportunities. >> kiki, go alead. >> reverend, i disagree politely with both of my colleagues here. what is really missing here is not sort of the republicans know what they want or they need to get in lock step, what is
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missing is the clans it make a big difference, to go big. go big, solve the questions at hand. what ron lays out, they're not even going to do. they are walking away from the table on that. i work with a group called no labels. this is a group that works for bipartisan solutions. so this win for america ain't going to come from one side or the other. what ron is going to ignore, the reality that they might have the list of to-dos but they aren't doing it. talking about what to do for a better message, they aren't doing that. this is a melt for a big opportunity for america. this is one of the moments go big or go home. >> before we run out of time, let me go to another question. i will start with you, ron. mitt romney, why is he so quiet? even republicans have criticized the front-runner of the republicans right now, willard mitt romney for staying on side
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lines during the debt fight. today he dodged the question of whether he supported raising the debt ceiling. >> no, he didn't, reverend. >> the answer for the country is for the president to agree to cut federal spending, to cap federal spending and to put in place a balanced budget amindment. that's the answer for the debt limit. it's the answer for nation. >> i don't know, reverend al. i don't think he could have been more clear than that. >> wait a minute, wait a minute. you sure you are watching twilight zone or i dream of genie. >> no, he have been in the twilight zone, al. >> he answered with a filibuster. >> what do you want him to say? he's been very clear. >> to go for the big bargain to deal with the debt limit, putting everything on the table. i want a definitive answer. i don't want a theory. >> you know who i want a
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difinish answer who is lacking -- is president obama. they haven't had a decision for 900 days. >> if you missed it ron, president obama said -- >> there a deal on the table. >> i want to put a big bargain on the table. b, i will not yield. i don't know how more clear can you get than that. >> let me ask a straight question if you can give me a straight answer. governor romney has been very clear on where he stands. president obama's bunl set vetoed. the republicans have put their budget on the table and the president refused to do so. >> let me give you a straight answer. the president said let's put all of it, including the bush tax cuts, that are going to expire, including social security, medicaid, let's put it all on the table. the republicans say, no, we're not going to go for a big -- >> we need a plan, al. let me say one last thing. the congressional budget office -- al, the congressional
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budget office said we can't score a speech. president obama refuses to put his proposal in writing. >> ron, they are avoiding the fact they don't want to deal with what they claim they want to deal with. structural and equality. structural problems in this deficit. >> ron, the reality is they have gotten what they asked for. the president said, i'm for spending cuts. they said they wanted to negotiate with the president. the president showed up and said, here is what i'm for. they say, we don't want that much. so everything that they have asked for, and even against his own political interests, by wait, with the base of my party and my fellow democrats, he challenged his own party to meet him at the table. he has tangen that leadership moment and when he did, you know what, it called their bluff. these guys, both sides, have a clans to do right. but they got to be willing it make the tough calls. right now you can write every budget. >> we got to go, victoria -- victoria, kiki, ron, do me favor, look at the camera and
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blink. it's good republican. that's what y'all did. thanks for a great panel. >> take care, guys. >> ahead, the focus on washington is on cuts an jobs. someone needs to pay attention to what is going on in our schools. is the no child left behind program causing a cheating epidemic. a debate on that coming up. e ...peggy. you got problem? peggy? third time i've called, it's time i speak with a supervisor. supervisor is genius...i transfer. transfer! transfer! transfer! transfer! transfer! name is... peggy? come on!!! hello? want better customer service? switch to discover. ranked #1 in customer loyalty. it pays to discover. and today, we're re-inventing aspirin for pain relief. with new extra-strength bayer advanced aspirin. it has microparticles so it enters the bloodstream faster
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trying the exelon patch. visit to learn more. headlines coming out of atlanta's school system are shocking. 178 teachers at 44 schools allegedly cheated to meet testing standards. sometimes they literally told kids the correct answers during the exams. and it happened in other school districts np lost in all the outrage is the root cause of the problem. our impossible goals set by president bush's in child left behind policy putting teachers and kids in a no-win situation? joining me now, randy wine garden, president of the american federation of teachers. she had an article in u.s. news an world report titled, no child left behind was doomed by its
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flaws. also joining me is a group that supports no child left behind. let me start with you, randi. you and i worked together and also debated on the fact that i think teachers should be judged. but i also think the anti-teacher rhetoric we are hearing is going too far. now we see what has got to be a nightmare for teachers all over the country. and teachers actually caught cheating. what are we seeing here and why? >> let me say first an foremost, cheating is not acceptable. cheating cheats dids kids. and it sets terrible standards. there is no excuse for it. and frankly, my local union gl 2005 blew the whistle on this scandal, was ignored and in fact
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people who tried to come forward were reprimanded. so what you see here as the governor in georgia said, is a culture of intimidation and fear and i think amy and i would agree, of high stake standards. high stakes testing, as opposed to -- >> i understand it is so hard to reach randi. i will explain to people that are not in the education arena, why are the standards so high to reach? >> it is not that the standards are to high but what no child left behind did is that by 2014, 100% of kids would be proficient and they set the target in that way and that allowed states to do testing any which way it wanted to. but so what is happening is as you are getting to 2014, and a hundred percent proficiency, which is something that the bush administration knew was not going to happen in this kind of
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way, it becomes meeting the targets become more important than actually teaching and learning. and let me just say one more thing, which is that the targets, these days, don't really reflect what we need to help kids do, which is critically think and problem solve and also be, you know, be ready for life and not learn about how to take short cuts. >> amy, what about that? you and i may agree that teachers should not have jobs that they cannot be held accountable. but does testing alone judge how effective they are? shouldn't we know what young people are learning beyond just a test score? thanks reverend sharpton. the test scores give good information about the schools. we know how well our kids are reading and doing math which is
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fundamental to their ability to do other things. i absolutely agree with ran di that cheating is wrong. we can't blame them entirely for the cheating. the tests don't cheat, people cheat. the problem, the real problem i think that randi would agree on, is that we haven't given teachers the support they need to teach well. when we talk about the cheating scandal or cheating epidemic, we are talking about a minority of teachers. i think we would use our time better to talk about what the majority of teachers need and want. >> exactly. >> i think we have the opportunity to do that. randi and amy and i'm glad to see that raised. at the end of the day, the students are what should be the priority. senator duncan and others are meeting on both sides of this. i have worked in this area as you both know. question is, with no child left behind running out, expiring, what do we need to do as the if you way to operate that would not have unrealistic goals but
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that would effective listedcate the students? the students in this country are way behind. >> let me just say this. the way in which we are framing this is wrong bp we should have a goal of every child, achieving his or her potential. that has to be our goal. the issue here is that there were these kind of artificial cut scores that are out there and the scores and those targets become more important than teaching and learning. i think amy is quite right. we have to have a way of seeing our kids learning. are they confident in mathematics. do they know how to read? can they read to learn? and so, but we also should be taking a page out of the book from our counter parts. >> randi, we have to cut it there. randi and amy, there is a lot to talk about in this issue.
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late last night when i landed by plane, i kept thinking over and over again in my mind, about congressman joe walsh attacking the president of the united states, calling him a liar. look at what joe walsh said.
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>> president obama quit lying and being hell-bent on turning us into some big european waist land. you spent money lining a drunken sailor for three years. quit lying. >> i had the congressman on the show before i invited him tonight, he couldn't come. i hope he will. i couldn't figure out why it bothered me some will i remembered another congressman using language of lie to the same president. look at this. >> the reforms, the refofrms i'm pr posing would not apply to those who are here illegally. >> this is where when in the middle of state of union address, a president disrupted the state of the union address to call the president a liar. so maybe i was overreacting. maybe because i supported the president, i was just furious. so then i said, come back now,
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be responsible, look at what the president said and see if it was on good ground. so i went back and i looked at what the president said in thinks interview that congressman walsh said he was lying about. >> can you tell the folks at home that no matter what happens, the social security checks are going to go out on august 3rd? >> i guarantee that those checks go out on august 3rd if we haven't resolved this issue. because there may simply not be the money in the coughers to do it. >> so the president said, i cannot guarantee, there may not be money coffers. when congressman wilson disrupted him in the middle of the state of the union, lie. why are these people disrespecting the president and distorting him? i disagreed with presidents. but you don't have the right to distorts them.

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